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"The Pregnancy Pact"
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Posted 6 months ago "The Pregnancy Pact" ...Have ya'll heard about this? There is a high school is Gloucester, Mass., where a group of teenage girls, many of them 16 and younger have decided to become pregnant so they can raise their babies together. Outrageous! I heard about it on the Today show and could not believe that it was suggested these girls possibly didn't know any better. I think that is BS. How does a young girl of today not know what the ramifications are of becoming pregnant and having a baby at such a young age? It was also mentioned that these girls think it's cool to be young and pregnant because young Hollywood stars such as Jamie Lynn Spears are having babies at a young age. It seems these girls are forgetting something; young Hollywood stars have money and lots of it, they can hire nannies, they can hire chefs and trainers to get their fit bodies back VS the reality of being young, in school and pregnant or with child and no job, no money, usually very little support, etc... What gives? Need Breeds Ingenuity!
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| Posted 6 months ago This story is about THE SADDEST thing I have ever heard!!! I am 36 and I find myself realizing my selfishness as a parent, never mind 16! I had absolutely NO parenting skills at 16, none what so ever. This is such a tragedy! What is going on in the homes of these children is what I want to know! |
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| Posted 6 months ago I agree that none of these girls are even thinking about the future. I don't believe they have thought through how they will finish high school (or if they even will), how they will provide for and raise a child (and I'm sure most will rely on mom and dad), or even the types of diseases they could contract. One of the girls, if I'm not mistaken, is pregnant by a homeless man. She doesn't know anything about him as a person or his sexual past. And to say that they didn't know any better is outrageous. They are old enough to understand consequences and to be able to think for themselves. I don't understand the mindset of some people these days. |
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| Posted 6 months ago I heard this on Fox News yesterday. They interviewed a psychologist and he said that most of the girls come from single parent homes and have very little parental supervision because of the long hour their parent(s) have to work to pay the bills. That the girls probably feel a void and thought that having a child could fill that void. Too bad they didn't see that new reality show about the young couples who want to have children, they are given a baby to take care of to get a small dose of reality. Jean Bentley
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| Posted 6 months ago I myself just saw this story on ABCNews.com and was horrified! What are these girls thinking?!? Say goodbye to money, time, sleep, school, boyfriends, etc. because everything goes on HOLD until your child is grown enough so you can resume OR until they are out of the house. Children are a FULL time job and responsibility! I hope they are telling the boys that go to that school to just say 'no' to these girls! I hate the fact that, like those little rats women carry in their purses and call them 'dogs', which are really just 'accessories', is now considered 'in' to have children and we know that its a trend that will have a long term effect! These kids are just another 'accessory' as well, and I will hate to find out the outcome once they realize, oh they arent a little poodle put a little people! "The brick walls are not there to keep us out. The brick walls are there to give us a chance to show how badly we want something. Because the brick walls are there to stop the people who don’t want it badly enough."-Randy Pausch |
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| Posted 6 months ago I read the article in the news, and I, too, am saddened by this foolish choice. With all of the education available, you would think the girls would know better. Donna Life is short. Embrace your friends and family with love. |
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| Posted 6 months ago I can't imagine what these girls were thinking. This is so sad. Let's hope it doesn't become a copy cat trend. These girls have so much to overcome if they want to succeed in the future. What about their babies!? Imagination. . .is the power that enables us to empathise with humans whose experiences we have never shared. (J.K. Rowling) |
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| Posted 6 months ago I think we need to bite the bullet stop being so naive and start putting sex education into the schools. This whole "abstinence" bull is not working and was joke to begin with. We need to realize that our little 'babies' are not babies anymore but adults with sexual urges that have no idea who to talk to and what to do. I remember reading something about a teacher being fired because the students were asking her questions about sex and the different forms of it and what could cause harm and the 'myths' surrounds such things. To me she was doing her job, she was TEACHING! People are more and more ignorant as to what the consequences are when having sex to which I can not understand because its not like a 'hidden secret' or something done 'in dark corners' it its all over the tv, Billboards, adds, etc! "The brick walls are not there to keep us out. The brick walls are there to give us a chance to show how badly we want something. Because the brick walls are there to stop the people who don’t want it badly enough."-Randy Pausch |
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| Posted 6 months ago This is just so sad and horrible! Coming from the perspective of someone who has been having a hard time getting pregnant and then listening to teenagers who want to become pregnant when they aren't even stable or have any clue of what could happen. There are just so many things that go into having a child and I guess that after being married for 5 years and just now getting to the point where we are ready to have a baby I can't imagine what is going through the minds of these teenagers if they think they are ready now. Something should be done about teens and what they are going through! Something should be done... -Jenn - Jenn
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| Posted 6 months ago When I read this article this morning, I almost fell out the chair. It's really sad, because at 16 you don't have the mindset to take care of and raise a child. I'm sure there are women who have done it before, and I commend them, but the average teenager can't fathom the real responsibility of having a child. Most are still living at home with their parent (s). and I'm not sure I agree with the pyschologist who mentioned these kids coming from single parent homes, and thats where this mentality came from. I came from a single parent home, but very early, my mother taught me the reality of sex. Her words were "I'm not going to tell you it doesn't feel good, BUT"...and I tell you everything she mentioned after BUT, scared the hell out of me. She mentioned the STD's, babies, moral issues, all kinds of stuff...I'm 33 and when I hear the term 'little red school house' ....I'm petrified!!! When I got pregnant I was 23, and I promise I was beyond scared to tell my mother. A neighbor told her because I too afraid....so I wouldn't say coming from a single parent home is the reason....They need to be sure to teach sex education in the schools. They need to teach parenting in the schools. They need to put prayer back into the schools, because Lord knows with these kinds of things going on...we need prayer!!! And we all need to get back into looking out for kids other than our own. Ms. Antoinette M. Brown I am a divine original fashioned by God to be radiantly beautiful! Accounting professional committed to integrity, professionalism, and support to drive a business toward success. |
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| Posted 6 months ago I am still reeling from having read this in the NYT this morning. A key quote we should all keep in mind though, when judging the girls---
Daniela
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| Posted 6 months ago mzbrown says ...
HERE HERE! Well said! I am slightly evil though and want to play the devils advocate. Don't flame me, I am shocked and saddened too. But... At 13 my Great Grandmother had her first child. One of 9 that survived. She was a robust women who ruled with an iron fist. My Grandmother had her first at 18, and her last of 7, at the old age of 39, she too, ruled with an iron first and a warm heart. I wonder why it is that we have changed so much, as a society, in a short amount of time, to assume that a 16 year old is irresponsible. If these children were a contributing member of society..i.e. already graduated, had jobs and/or had partners that had jobs and could take care of the offspring financially, would we still be appalled? Or should we? My Grandmothers did it, why can't they? Have we raised our children with no personal responsibility? And what is wrong with these men that they have sex with teenagers without protection? These are the types of things that happen when our wants and desires outweigh our better judgement. It's a sad time we live in, and for the record, I would have a VERY difficult time not reintroducing the chastity belt if my daughter made this type of stupid decision. And MZBrown is 100% correct. WE ALL need to be responsible for our children. But first we have to agree on the guidelines. Moral judgement has become too gray of a topic. It should be pretty clear cut, but it's not when we teach 'you can have what you want when you want it.' We inundate with 'instant gratification'. Here's the really unpopular part: We need to teach, and to learn, self control. Condoms break, pills don't work for everyone (my sister got 2 kids that way :)). The ONLY thing that is 100% foolproof for preventing pregnancy is abstinence. It isn't too much to ask. If you have ANY type of self control at all, you can abstain. And yes, I did, so I KNOW it can be done. :) But these girls didn't WANT to and ONLY they can tell you why. |
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| Posted 6 months ago Having taught middle and high school for many years, I learned that a lot virgins are bullied into sexual encounters through intimidation by their friends. One year a group of three 8th grade boys decided to see how many virgins they could bed before graduation. It was sex for the sake of conquest, and I was surprised how many girls succumbed. As a society, we have not prepared teenagers to understand sex. Many younger teenagers believe if they stop before ejaculation is reached, they are not engaging in sex. These kids are not informed. When you get answers like this on a health test, you know they are in trouble: What are testes? Answer=big tests. One of my students was the daughter of a former student. The mother got pregnant in 9th grade, and I remember counseling her because she was afraid to tell her parents. She decided to have the baby because her parents were very religious. She wanted to drop out of school, but I convinced her to stay until graduation since our school had a program for teenage mothers. After the birth, the mother became an ardent advocate of birth control, but her choice of partners left something to be desired. Fast forward to her daughter as a teenager: The daughter was crying one day because she was upset. She was moving to another city because her mom's ex was harassing them. She did not want to leave her friends or a school where she felt comfortable. Throughout our many conversations, I convinced her that her mom's decision was one that would keep her safe. She told me she loved her mom, but was tired of her mom's bad choices. The lessons of her mother taught her that waiting for sex until she was older was the best choice. Her comment was very mature for a 14-year-old girl. Although my parent's generation never talked to us about sex, I made sure that my kids learned about responsible sex from an early age. Parents should be the first line of defense in forming healthy values about sex.
Donna Life is short. Embrace your friends and family with love. |
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| Posted 6 months ago Teenage pregnancy is not new- what is new (at least it made news this time) is that these teens want to do it together. The neighborhood I grew up in, being pregnant by 16-17 was a regular occurrence, if not younger. And as teenagers we did use each other for support. We have always had the highest rate of teen pregnancy in the world and we are a country that does not believe in openly teaching sex education, birth control and condom usage to our kids. Ann M. Evanston, MA CEO Zena Enterprises
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| Posted 6 months ago What strikes me about this story and this thread- I don't believe that these girls where out to have sex, that was just a means to pregnancy. My guess? My opinion? Children's need for attention, love and support. They are still children. Children having children. This is scary to me, and my wishes and prayers go out to all the families dealing with this. More than sex (abstinence and safe sex) education I believe we need parenting education, not just an egg or bag of flour carried around for a week. You need a licence to drive, in some places you need a licence to fish. Anyone can be a parent, the most difficult and important job in the world. I feel that we cannot take the free will (=choices) away, but we can provide as much information to make those choices , guiding free will, as possible if they'll take it. Completely separate point on this forum: One source said that one father was 24 to the mother's 16. I haven't been able to confirm this elsewhere? That is statutory rape in MA if I remember correctly. Is this confirmed and if so, is it an issue with any of the other pregnancies? So many concerning layers to this. Korina Anja |
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| Posted 6 months ago This story makes me sick and very, very sad. These girls have not only altered their entire lives and that of their unborn children but to become pregnant by someone you do not know or whose medical history you know nothing about is downright frightening. There are too many things wrong with this story. Unfortunately in today's times it becomes another news story, sensational and forgotten tomorrow. As a working mother I struggle every day with the guilt of leaving my child to another's care. The struggle with providing the best life I can for her versus me being there for her in the flesh. It has been hard at times but I will say that I try even harder to be present, to be there and to know what is going on. This is a mother's primary job regardless of her career ranking or her career ambitions. Where are the parent's to all of these girl's???? My gut tells me these girls were looking for attention. Possibly attention they were lacking from close family memebers, parents, teachers, etc. And while that is certainly sad, I cannot believe those girls did not know, at 16-17 years of age what the implications would be if they succeeded in what they set out to do. What these girl's lack is self confidence, self worth and pride for oneself. As a society we should be putting our money towards programs that empower young girls. Programs that boost their self worth and confidence. Programs that groom young women to go out into the world with something to offer such as their intellegence, skills, personality, sense of humor, etc. It's not who you are that holds you back. It's who you think you're not. - Unknown |
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| Posted 6 months ago I agree with 99% of what's been said here. But I have to say that our boys need just as much education on this as girls. They need to know not only the implications of sex and how to protect themselves, but the emotional and psychological differences between teen boys & teen girls / women and men when it comes to sex. These differences, if not explained, can cause some severe emotional damage. "Your absence has gone through me, Like thread through a needle. Everything I do is stitched with its color." ~William S. Merwin
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| Posted 6 months ago This week, the news reported that the pact was untrue; however, there was an increase in teen pregnancies at the Massachusetts high school this year. The principal claims that his memory is foggy; the Mayor of Gloucester denies proof of the pact, and Oliver, one of the pregnant teens, said her pregnancy was unintentional. Who knows whom to believe? You decide. Here are the links to the articles.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-06-24-pregnancy-pact_N.htm?csp=23&RM_Exclude=aol
Donna Life is short. Embrace your friends and family with love. |
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| Posted 6 months ago I just heard about the whole thing a couple of days ago. I want to know what the parents thought. I had a couple of my friends get pregnant in HS but they actually stayed in and finished. I'm not condoning what they did, I'm just glad that they finished. Do these girls have jobs of any kind? Before I even got into HS, my mom taught me about the birds and the bees. She wanted my to be smart and make the right decisions. I'm glad for it. Without her, I don't think I would've waited until I had gotten married. Society puts a lot of pressures on schools to keep track of everything. My parents knew everything about me. I wasn't aloud to go to a party unless it was being supervised by responsible adults and my parents knew who the people were. It sounds a little overprotective, but I'm still thankful. My friends did a lot of not so great things, but that didn't mean I was going to. I know I don't have children yet, I'm 21. I'm almost afraid to have kids because I don't know if I'll be able to instill in them the values I was taught or if they'll make the right decisions. I love kids. I love babysitiing and helping out in children's ministry at church. Everything going on with kids now is scary. I don't know if it's just the fact that we have the media to cover more of what's going on, than we did in the past or what. |
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| Posted 6 months ago Navy1wife, Please do not fear this opportunity if you want to have children. Kids are indeed a joy, and every parent has fears. As long as you are honest with your children, the lines of communication will stay open. Please read the topics in the forums. You will discover that parenthood is not easy, but I do not think any of us are unhappy that we became parents.
Donna Life is short. Embrace your friends and family with love. |
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| Posted 6 months ago stgreg11, I've always wanted to have kids and still do-if my husband and I can. The more I've thought about it lately, the more I realize I don't think we're ready just yet. Although I know there's probably never a "perfect"/no issues time to have kids. There's just so much to consider and have in place it seems before we do. I commend all the mothers out there. I think it's a blessing to have children. |
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| Posted 6 months ago My doctor said it would be difficult for me to become pregnant. I had my first child at 31 and my second, a surprise, at 37. The first pregnancy was high risk; the second was a breeze! I don't recommend waiting this long, but you are still young. When you are ready, you will know the time is right. Donna Life is short. Embrace your friends and family with love. |
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| Posted 6 months ago Dana_Billingsley says ...
You are absolutely right- men and boys need to be just as involved with these issues, as well as other historically viewed "women/girl's issues". Highly recommend Jackson Katz's Macho Paradox. Not so much the pregnancy issue, but address' men's need to step up and alter what defines manhood. Thanks so much for this important facet to the discussion! Korina Anja |
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| Posted 6 months ago kar23 says ...
I do agree but the media and our society will ALWAYS stick the blame on the girls! Its always "oh she got pregnant, well she shouldn't have opened her legs!" thing never on the guy! Girls will ALWAYS suffer the consequences for it. Most cuss words and slang used to degrade are aimed towards females or named after female parts (Cunt? Slut? Whore? Pussy?, you get the picture). I was reading an article on ABCnews.com about how 1 in 4 teen girls have an STD now I am not a genius but I do know it takes two to tango and they did not GET IT BY THEMSELVES! Until society makes it not such a one way street "My son has SOO many girlfriends he is such a stud!" "My daughter has soo many 'guy friends' I am worried she will get a reputation" But the change will have to be made by the parents, mothers especially, you as mom can sometimes put the stereotype in their heads, not on purpose, you just have the same brainwashed ideals of how YOU were raised! No abstinence is not the answer, 'abstinence' in general does not mean they don't do other things....just means they wont use the one area! I knew a girl from Russia that swore up and down she was a virgin and therefore not a 'damaged' and could still be ' pure' and 'marriageable' because the guy never stuck it 'in there' as she called it but she told me all about the other areas guys did! "The brick walls are not there to keep us out. The brick walls are there to give us a chance to show how badly we want something. Because the brick walls are there to stop the people who don’t want it badly enough."-Randy Pausch |



