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Let's talk...


I believe based on the other topic..."weaning" that a lot of our issues as women in relationships has a lot to do with our relationship with our dads moreso than our relationship with moms.  Tell me what you think.


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Esther Muhammad

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Well, there could be something to that.  But what I only just recently realized was that whereas therapists over the years have tried to convince me that I entered abusive relationships because of my relationship with my Dad, it was really my MOTHER that was like that.  I kept telling the marriage counsellors and therapists that it didn't make sense, as my Dad and I were close.  It was my mother that was controlling, etc.  So, I'm not really sure, but I'm going to be following this discussion with interest.


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I haven't read the other article yet, but Sarah has a good point.  Even though I didn't see my dad much growing up (he was the only bread winner until I was in high school) I had a good relationship with him.  My mom on the other hand came from abusive parents, abused us kids and until I moved out I did not have a great relationship with her.  After I left she finally got help for her abuse issues but I think the damage was already done to me.  I dated a few guys who smacked me around and then married one that almost killed me.  My mom and I have worked through our problems and I am very careful about the people I involve myself with now, but I'm not sure it's the dad's that are at issue here.


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this is a good question, so it'll be interesting to see how many other women add to it. 

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I didn't grow up with my mom -- I was raised by my dad.  I noticed as I entered the workplace I had alot of issues with women, not men.  I enjoyed a great friendship with my father.  I've enjoyed a wonderful man in a loving marriage for more than 30 yrs.  I can't speak to the mom relationship (never really had that experience as a daughter) but I watched three of my sisters pick tough guys, selfish men - and suffer through some really malicious stuff - so I'm unsure what that really says about dads and daughters in general.  Perhaps it's a combination of things - personality,environment, personal preferences - part mom, part dad and part us, the daughter(s).

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 My Dad was king of the castle despite the fact that my Mom worked, too. He set the rules and enforced them. If we needed confirmation that we were loved, we asked Mom. Dad was not demonstrative, but he was tougher on my brother than on my sister and I. Mom told me that my Dad changed when he was hurt at work when I was five. He had the opportunity to attend college when he returned from WWII, but he chose to work in a factory. Perhaps, those years overshadowed his former, more loving self.


When he improved, Dad returned to a different job and later went to technical school to learn a trade. My Dad is very smart and good with his hands. As a child, I marveled at the things that he could fix. He filled his waking hours with work.


The teenage years were difficult. Our family did not discuss problems. Dad yelled and we ran for cover. I do not know how his father disciplined because he died when I was a few months old. My grandmother was ill many of those years.


Often, Dad worked two jobs so he never attended school events until he came to a musical during my second year of college. The play was "Hair" and not my father's cup of tea. On stage, I could feel the hairs on his head stand up with each anti-war or risqué song. Then, thanks to a fog machine on stage, I fell during a number and hurt my back. I saw him stand straight up in the aisle and wonder if I was okay. The show must go on, but I sensed he was worried.


The only times I remember that my father cried were my brother's serious, car accident, my college graduation, my brother's graduation from basic training, weddings, the birth of his grandchildren, and funerals. He did not cry when I ran away; he just yelled when I came home and then grounded me. Until a few years ago, I still sought his approval, but I became dismayed at his nasty behavior. He acts like a spoiled child. I understand why he is that way because Mom is ill and his body is failing. Sometimes, I wish he would just hold me and tell me he loves me rather than yell at me when I do something special for him. Now that we have moved, every conversation we have lasts two seconds before he hands the phone to Mom. It is as if he does not know what to say.


My Dad is difficult to love, but I do love him. In my heart, I know he loves me although he rarely shows that emotion. Surprisingly, he does show love toward his grandchildren with more ease. Often, I wonder if I would have turned out differently if Dad had felt strong enough to demonstrate his love for me. It does make me wonder, what if?


 


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I think a women's relationship with her father shapes her entire view of men in general. Some of my friend's had horrible father's who were distant and uncaring and absent. Some of those women turned those experiences into positives and knew instinctively what not to look for in a man. Other are trapped in a vicious cycle of "looking for daddy" in the wrong men over and over again. It's two fold. You either run towards what was wrong in your life and try to fix it or you run away from what was wrong in your life and try to fix it.


My father was kind and loving. I wouldn't say he was gushy or anything like that but he showed his love by being there for us all the time, attending all our activities, etc. He was very easy-going, didn't hold grudges, was a hard worker and a good provider for his family. He also had a wonderful sense of humor. I was very lucky to have been such good friends with him when he was alive and to have a positive male influence in my life.


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 My Dad was king of the castle despite the fact that my Mom worked, too. He set the rules and enforced them. If we needed confirmation that we were loved, we asked Mom. Dad was not demonstrative, but he was tougher on my brother than on my sister and I. Mom told me that my Dad changed when he was hurt at work when I was five. He had the opportunity to attend college when he returned from WWII, but he chose to work in a factory. Perhaps, those years overshadowed his former, more loving self.


When he improved, Dad returned to a different job and later went to technical school to learn a trade. My Dad is very smart and good with his hands. As a child, I marveled at the things that he could fix. He filled his waking hours with work.


The teenage years were difficult. Our family did not discuss problems. Dad yelled and we ran for cover. I do not know how his father disciplined because he died when I was a few months old. My grandmother was ill many of those years.


Often, Dad worked two jobs so he never attended school events until he came to a musical during my second year of college. The play was "Hair" and not my father's cup of tea. On stage, I could feel the hairs on his head stand up with each anti-war or risqué song. Then, thanks to a fog machine on stage, I fell during a number and hurt my back. I saw him stand straight up in the aisle and wonder if I was okay. The show must go on, but I sensed he was worried.


The only times I remember that my father cried were my brother's serious, car accident, my college graduation, my brother's graduation from basic training, weddings, the birth of his grandchildren, and funerals. He did not cry when I ran away; he just yelled when I came home and then grounded me. Until a few years ago, I still sought his approval, but I became dismayed at his nasty behavior. He acts like a spoiled child. I understand why he is that way because Mom is ill and his body is failing. Sometimes, I wish he would just hold me and tell me he loves me rather than yell at me when I do something special for him. Now that we have moved, every conversation we have lasts two seconds before he hands the phone to Mom. It is as if he does not know what to say.


My Dad is difficult to love, but I do love him. In my heart, I know he loves me although he rarely shows that emotion. Surprisingly, he does show love toward his grandchildren with more ease. Often, I wonder if I would have turned out differently if Dad had felt strong enough to demonstrate his love for me. It does make me wonder, what if?


If he shows such love for the grandchildren with ease, it may be due to the fact that he has no other history with them.  He could be aware of his history with you, and he may not know how to get past it.  He may have the same regrets that you do, but he can't say it because there's too much water under the bridge.  Obviously, he cared about you if he stood up to see that you were ok and if he stayed to watch your event even though it was really rankling him.  I keep thinking of that film "On Golden Pond".  I know, life isn't a film.  But there were so many things in your post that reminded me of it.  "What if " really doesn't matter anymore, does it?  The future is all you have.  You learned how to be a good mother, and you'll have children who will remember him fondly.  Right? 


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Thank you, Sea.


Donna

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